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Message | Subject:Autosave in background | yevster Prenoob Joined: 09/04/2011 04:08:06 Messages: 94 Offline
| Autosave is probably the most frustrating non-bug behavior in Studio One. It feels like every time I want to play up to a certain point, autosave starts just when I want to stop playback. I feel at that moment lurched out of whatever creative zone I might be in, turning into a hostage to my DAW's whim to do what it needs to do. I'm not sure why saving takes so much longer with StudioOne than with any other DAW, but if that's how it must be, couldn't it be done in the background rather than modally? And failing that, couldn't autosave just not happen during playback? I know disabling autosave is a workaround, but that can lead to a whole other brand of frustration. | Subject:Autosave in background | NickWeiland Presonoid Joined: 04/08/2012 20:33:05 Messages: 1050 Location: United Kingdom of Hypocracy Offline
| yevster wrote:Autosave is probably the most frustrating non-bug behavior in Studio One. It feels like every time I want to play up to a certain point, autosave starts just when I want to stop playback. I feel at that moment lurched out of whatever creative zone I might be in, turning into a hostage to my DAW's whim to do what it needs to do. I'm not sure why saving takes so much longer with StudioOne than with any other DAW, but if that's how it must be, couldn't it be done in the background rather than modally? And failing that, couldn't autosave just not happen during playback? I know disabling autosave is a workaround, but that can lead to a whole other brand of frustration.
i am in total agreeance it even takes prioritory over other prorams too which is annoying when im writing in guitar pro. | Computer: Asus Sabertooth x79 MOBO, 64 gb vengance Ram, 4gb windforce gigabyte Oc edition graphics card, processor: intel i7 3930 3.8 ghz 6 core, startech firewire card. Laptop:Hp Pavilion Laptop G6 series amd 2.66 ghz quad core processor,256mb graphics card Ati,8 gb ddr3 ram,750gb Hybrid Drive;Audio Interface;Roland Octa-Capture,8 Mic pres,10 ins/outs, 44.1, 48, 98, 192 khz,Monitors:Adam a7xs,OS:Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8 Professional,Daw:Studio One Professional 64 bit version,Cubase 6.5,Plugins:Jbridge, Waves platinum bundle, Fabfilter bundleVst Instrumen,BFD2 64bit, Alchemy, East West Symphonic Orchestra. | Subject:Aw:Autosave in background | MarkusHassold Presonoid Joined: 29/07/2010 09:28:03 Messages: 1170 Location: Germany/Stuttgart Offline
| I also have to say, there might be improvements done to auto save. Exactly same here: Auto-save is interrupting my workflow sometimes in a very harsh way. Not that I'd like to miss ist - it saved my *** a couple of times, but.... Is there no possibility, to reduce auto-save to record the last changes done since opening the program or since last auto-save? Is it really a need, to save tons of melodyne-files and so on - even when all melodyne-edits where already rendered 7 sessions ago.... Is there maybe at least a way to say: 'stop' and 'play' go before auto-save? And: If I save manually and auto-save is set up to save every 15 minutes - why does auto save save 3 minutes after manually saving? Is it just because last auto -save was 15 minutes ago?? Please add some improvements here. Creativity is such a highly sensitive shrinking violet..... it shall not be disturbed. This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 14/03/2013 13:52:45 | Presonus Firestudio Tube, Presonus Firestudio Project Universal Control 1.7.2 Presonus Inspire 1394, Faderport, Bluetube DP, HP 4, Bluemax..... MacBookPro 4.1, 17' ( late 2008 ), 2,5 GHz Core2Duo, 4 GB RAM, MacOS 10.9.4 External harddisc (3.5' - 7200 rpm) with eSATA connection through a Sonnet express-card. Presonus Studio One Pro 2.6.2 Celemony Melodyne editor 2.1.2 | Subject:Autosave in background | Dmitriy_m2m Presonic Joined: 24/12/2012 15:31:19 Messages: 180 Location: Moscow, Russia Offline
| My autosave usually happens when I renaming tracks (or I just pay more attention at theese moments), so I have to rename them again. There is an option 'silent autosave' in on? other software (this is not a daw), it will be nice to have the same thing in Studio One. When checked, autosave causes no popup window and can't pause the workflow. When user press save, window happens anyway | Focusrite Saffire Pro 40, Yamaha HS80m Windows 7 x64 Intel Core i7 based PC Studio One 2 Pro, UAD 2 QUAD Kemper Profiling Amp
| Subject:Re:Autosave in background | KrisM Presonic Joined: 29/07/2010 00:46:14 Messages: 112 Offline
| You know, I never noticed this until just now. Working on something ambient, this drone was airy, beautiful, gorgeous... <CLICK-POP!> Window shows up, bar fills up albeit not even two seconds <POP!> -_- Get autosave out of our way in 3.0 please | I don't 'produce.' I write music. | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | Julia B Presonoid Joined: 23/01/2011 23:09:59 Messages: 1244 Location: Seattle WA Offline
| It does get annoying. It should be a background thing. I don't need to know 'Hey, I'm autosaving now!' Okay what was I doing?..... damn. I forgot. | Creation Station 400 Sweetwater Intel i7 Sandy Bridge 3.4 GHz 16 GB Ram C: 500 GB Seagate 7200 rpm D: 1 TB Seagate 7200 rpm F: : 1 TB WD Caviar Black 7200 rpm SATA Libraries Win 7 Home Premium 64 SP1 Focusrite Saffire6 USB Studio One Pro 2.6.2; Pro Tools 8.0.5; Cubase 7 Sugarbytes Cyclop, Arturia V Collection, Ivory II, EWQL Symphonic Orchestra Platinum Plus, EWQL VOP, EWQL Symphonic Choirs, Komplete 9, AEON, Evolve, Evolve Damage, Evolve Mutations, Alicia's Keys, MOTU Ethno-Instrument, Addictive Drums, Yellow Tools Candy, Garritan JABB3, GPO4, Vir2 Electri6ity, Omnisphere, Stylus, Reason 6.5, Sony Soundforge 10, Miroslav Philharmonic & Choir, Waves Gold bundle, Maserati Bundle, Vocal Rider, Melodyne Editor, Sibelius.
| Subject:Re:Autosave in background | Texas Willie Presonoid Joined: 28/07/2010 19:59:14 Messages: 1199 Location: Vancouver, Washington Offline
| Well, I am going to chime in with my two cents worth After years of using 3D Architectural software and having system crashes destroy hours of valuable production (even with an Autosave feature), I just got in the habit of hitting Ctrl S every time I made a change to ANYTHING. As a result of that 'behavior modification' in my work habits, losing work or having my creative juices interrupted is just not an issue. I have S1's autosave turned off and just use the very quick method of hitting Cntrl S while I am working/playing. It seems these days, that everyone wants everything done for them, without having to put forth ANY effort or have any responsibility for their own work......Just Sayin' TW | PreSonus FireStudio Mobile x 2 Studio One Pro DAW v2.6 Yamaha DGX 220 Keyboard Yamaha DTXplorer Drums Akai MPK49 Midi Controller M-Audio Axiom 25 Midi Controller Boss BR-600 Digital Recorder Guitar Rig Kontrol Pedal Board Native Instruments Komplete 9 Epiphone Wildcat Semi-Hollow A/E Breedlove Custom Studio A/E Guitar Fender 12 String Acoustic/Electric Fender American Stratocaster TC-Helicon Harmony G Sennheiser HD280 Pro Headphones Windows 8 x64, SIIG PCIe DP Firewire 800 3 port card. MacBook Pro OSX 10.6.8 AMD Phenom 9650 Quad Core 2.30 GHz; 8 GB Ram Samsung 840 EVO 500Gb SSD-For O/S and Programs Western Digital 1TB HDD x 2 Western Digital 1.5 TB HDD | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | NickWeiland Presonoid Joined: 04/08/2012 20:33:05 Messages: 1050 Location: United Kingdom of Hypocracy Offline
| Texas Willie wrote:Well, I am going to chime in with my two cents worth After years of using 3D Architectural software and having system crashes destroy hours of valuable production (even with an Autosave feature), I just got in the habit of hitting Ctrl S every time I made a change to ANYTHING. As a result of that 'behavior modification' in my work habits, losing work or having my creative juices interrupted is just not an issue. I have S1's autosave turned off and just use the very quick method of hitting Cntrl S while I am working/playing. It seems these days, that everyone wants everything done for them, without having to put forth ANY effort or have any responsibility for their own work......Just Sayin' TW
i can see how much you love studio one texas willie but studio one is a smart program and functions like this should be integral to the design. just like it is in any other daw. it does need redesigning. | Computer: Asus Sabertooth x79 MOBO, 64 gb vengance Ram, 4gb windforce gigabyte Oc edition graphics card, processor: intel i7 3930 3.8 ghz 6 core, startech firewire card. Laptop:Hp Pavilion Laptop G6 series amd 2.66 ghz quad core processor,256mb graphics card Ati,8 gb ddr3 ram,750gb Hybrid Drive;Audio Interface;Roland Octa-Capture,8 Mic pres,10 ins/outs, 44.1, 48, 98, 192 khz,Monitors:Adam a7xs,OS:Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8 Professional,Daw:Studio One Professional 64 bit version,Cubase 6.5,Plugins:Jbridge, Waves platinum bundle, Fabfilter bundleVst Instrumen,BFD2 64bit, Alchemy, East West Symphonic Orchestra. | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | Toth Presonoid Joined: 02/09/2011 04:33:17 Messages: 1194 Offline
| Texas Willie wrote:Well, I am going to chime in with my two cents worth After years of using 3D Architectural software and having system crashes destroy hours of valuable production (even with an Autosave feature), I just got in the habit of hitting Ctrl S every time I made a change to ANYTHING. As a result of that 'behavior modification' in my work habits, losing work or having my creative juices interrupted is just not an issue. I have S1's autosave turned off and just use the very quick method of hitting Cntrl S while I am working/playing. It seems these days, that everyone wants everything done for them, without having to put forth ANY effort or have any responsibility for their own work......Just Sayin' TW
Hey, it's 2013. Computers can do things for us now we had to do by hand back in your days. I'm surprised you're still not sequencing on your Atari. | SoundCloud: http://soundcloud.com/toth_music | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | Lokeyfly Presonoid Joined: 07/06/2012 08:31:19 Messages: 1379 Location: N.Y.C. Offline
| Certainly not my intent to polarize us folks here as we all want a better DAW as S1 develops. It’s another point of view, that’s all. Hope it’s interpreted that way. I agree with Texas Willy on this and I'll (hear me out) explain what at least works for my file management. Perhaps it will work for you or you'll respond with “Blah blah, it's 2013 already”. Autosave - First and foremost, I don't ever autosave, especially with a DAW (I can feel the blood bubbling already). The reason being 2013 or not, I am trying to get as much lean CPU power and resources as possible. However efficient my computer is (and it seems to be, so far), I don't need the computer auto saving, reading available sectors, then writing to them when I'm running 15 mostly stereo audio tracks, running multiple percussion samples from all different velocities from independent drum multi samples, using FX bussed convolution reverb. Does the computer crash, no it doesn't. Do I have to convert instrument files to Audio? Hardly ever, unless I wish to create volume or pans via automation lanes. Just simply stressing a point that when hard disk recording is going on, who needs drive(s) working additionally to save (reading & writing), when heads are accessing many, many sectors for data, reading and writing already? I’d say there’s just a little more horsepower (did I say that?) if you do not autosave. Rename - As the song develops I'll use a number or letter suffix (songname_1, _1a, _2a, _2b, etc.). Sometime after the suffix, even add a description of what occurred. For example Songname_2b nice mix, or 'songname_1d added Angies vocals'. Maybe no description after the suffix at all. Have to keep inspiration moving, right? This only takes a second, or two, and it’s on your terms, not the computer’s automatic scrub your balls for you terms. Autosave is not going to manage your files that way. On the contrary, some parts of the song reach certain milestones, or developments that occur. Sure most of the time, I just hit Control S as Texas Willy does as well. I just don't rely on it too much just in case I’m overwriting an already corrupt file that won't soon after reopen. You do that once in your life and promise that will never happen again. I may never revisit an old file. Ah, but if there was a great mix, and the song morphed into something other than great, you can go back and rekindle a great feel, or mix, knowing how the song developed via descriptive file names along the way. Look this works for me, and I fully understand that some really feel they need the autosave function on period. Thankfully S1 keeps folders with wav files all tidy, so the only thing that is updating is the song files info, not reconstructing the waves over and over. Have a look at Reason to really scream at that bit of wasteful file management. One song file, all waves embedded. Though you can autosave, but hold on to how large each file save is. Ouch! Described is a file management process. You may not agree with it. Just know some of us couldn’t care less about autosave. Thanks for hearing my point, and hope the described process provokes only some consideration. I’d autosave with a text editor, AutoCad, Inventor or some less resource demanding program. Not a DAW. Just me.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 23/03/2013 01:42:48 | In the words of the late great Graucho Marx 'I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member' S1 Pro 2.5, Laptop: VAIO i7, 8Gb, Win 7 X64, SP1. Supporting software, too much to list. Audio Interface: 22 VSL, M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Audiophile 192 PCI-e, Controllers: Novation SL Mk II, M-Audio Axiom, Guitar controllers by Roland GR-50, Percussion controllers: Roland Octapad II, Akai MPD-18. Guitars by: Fender, Gibson, Gretch, Guild, Martin, Taylor, & Yamaha | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | NickWeiland Presonoid Joined: 04/08/2012 20:33:05 Messages: 1050 Location: United Kingdom of Hypocracy Offline
| Lokeyfly wrote:Certainly not my intent to polarize us folks here as we all want a better DAW as S1 develops. It’s another point of view, that’s all. Hope it’s interpreted that way. I agree with Texas Willy on this and I'll (hear me out) explain what at least works for my file management. Perhaps it will work for you or you'll respond with “Blah blah, it's 2013 already”. Autosave - First and foremost, I don't ever autosave, especially with a DAW (I can feel the blood bubbling already). The reason being 2013 or not, I am trying to get as much lean CPU power and resources as possible. However efficient my computer is (and it seems to be, so far), I don't need the computer auto saving, reading available sectors, then writing to them when I'm running 15 mostly stereo audio tracks, running multiple percussion samples from all different velocities from independent drum multi samples, using FX bussed convolution reverb. Does the computer crash, no it doesn't. Do I have to convert instrument files to Audio? Hardly ever, unless I wish to create volume or pans via automation lanes. Just simply stressing a point that when hard disk recording is going on, who needs drive(s) working additionally to save (reading & writing), when heads are accessing many, many sectors for data, reading and writing already? I’d say there’s just a little more horsepower (did I say that?) if you do not autosave. Rename - As the song develops I'll use a number or letter suffix (songname_1, _1a, _2a, _2b, etc.). Sometime after the suffix, even add a description of what occurred. For example Songname_2b nice mix, or 'songname_1d added Angies vocals'. Maybe no description after the suffix at all. Have to keep inspiration moving, right? This only takes a second, or two, and it’s on your terms, not the computer’s automatic scrub your balls for you terms. Autosave is not going to manage your files that way. On the contrary, some parts of the song reach certain milestones, or developments that occur. Sure most of the time, I just hit Control S as Texas Willy does as well. I just don't rely on it too much just in case I’m overwriting an already corrupt file that won't soon after reopen. You do that once in your life and promise that will never happen again. I may never revisit an old file. Ah, but if there was a great mix, and the song morphed into something other than great, you can go back and rekindle a great feel, or mix, knowing how the song developed via descriptive file names along the way. Look this works for me, and I fully understand that some really feel they need the autosave function on period. Thankfully S1 keeps folders with wav files all tidy, so the only thing that is updating is the song files info, not reconstructing the waves over and over. Have a look at Reason to really scream at that bit of wasteful file management. One song file, all waves embedded. Though you can autosave, but hold on to how large each file save is. Ouch! Described is a file management process. You may not agree with it. Just know some of us couldn’t care less about autosave. Thanks for hearing my point, and hope the described process provokes only some consideration. I’d autosave with a text editor, AutoCad, Inventor or some less resource demanding program. Not a DAW. Just me.
its not the function of the autosave were moaning about its the way it interrupts workflow. | Computer: Asus Sabertooth x79 MOBO, 64 gb vengance Ram, 4gb windforce gigabyte Oc edition graphics card, processor: intel i7 3930 3.8 ghz 6 core, startech firewire card. Laptop:Hp Pavilion Laptop G6 series amd 2.66 ghz quad core processor,256mb graphics card Ati,8 gb ddr3 ram,750gb Hybrid Drive;Audio Interface;Roland Octa-Capture,8 Mic pres,10 ins/outs, 44.1, 48, 98, 192 khz,Monitors:Adam a7xs,OS:Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8 Professional,Daw:Studio One Professional 64 bit version,Cubase 6.5,Plugins:Jbridge, Waves platinum bundle, Fabfilter bundleVst Instrumen,BFD2 64bit, Alchemy, East West Symphonic Orchestra. | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | Lokeyfly Presonoid Joined: 07/06/2012 08:31:19 Messages: 1379 Location: N.Y.C. Offline
| That would be my point, ditching it altogether. I sort of lose peoples idea of workflow interuption. I see that from complaints a window shows up for a second or two, so yeah that's an interuption. It also shows up with Control S save function as well. it's a little blip. That has not interfered with my workflow because I've stopped to ask the program on my tearms to save. Blip, done. Do poeple actually autosave under five to ten minutes and get thrown by a blip on the screen? The default time is 30 minutes. Sounds like the answer is 'yes', and 'yes'. Good luck with this. | In the words of the late great Graucho Marx 'I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member' S1 Pro 2.5, Laptop: VAIO i7, 8Gb, Win 7 X64, SP1. Supporting software, too much to list. Audio Interface: 22 VSL, M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Audiophile 192 PCI-e, Controllers: Novation SL Mk II, M-Audio Axiom, Guitar controllers by Roland GR-50, Percussion controllers: Roland Octapad II, Akai MPD-18. Guitars by: Fender, Gibson, Gretch, Guild, Martin, Taylor, & Yamaha | Subject:Autosave in background | Jlien X Presonic Joined: 21/03/2013 13:02:31 Messages: 476 Location: Tokyo Offline
| yevster wrote:I'm not sure why saving takes so much longer with StudioOne than with any other DAW I started using Auto Save yesterday and it works super fast here. Less than a second. I like it. Also, I found only one difference between auto save of S1 and that of my other daw, Sonar X2. Sonar's auto save waits until playback stops. So, auto save in S1 should either work background or not during playback, as you suggested. The latter option might be better since there might be users who actually want to see it saving and feel reassured. | PC: ProBook 4710s, Core2 Duo CPU T9600 @2.80GHz, 8GB RAM OS: Windows 7 Professional (Japanese) 64-bit SP1 Audio/MIDI: Quad-Capture (interface), A-800PRO (keyboard controller) DAW: Studio One Producer 2.6.2 (64-bit), SONAR X3e (64-bit) | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | Toth Presonoid Joined: 02/09/2011 04:33:17 Messages: 1194 Offline
| The saving time depends on various things, probably the complexity of the project. We've also discovered that when using Melodyne the saving times get extended each time you load an instance of it. And S1 still saves Melodyne after all instances of it have been removed. So in a song in which I had used Melodyne a lot on various bits and pieces my autosave times were up to 30 seconds long. That is quite an interruption. See this thread for details: http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/34214.page#229588 The autosave is something that I don't like to turn off, even at the logical explanation of board members here advising the contrary. I have been burnt before by having autosave turned off, because I got into the groove of working and forgot to hit CTRL+S. After that I incessantly CTRL+S'ed every 5 seconds, which wasn't too healthy either. So the autosave is a top feature to have for me. | Subject:Re:Autosave in background | NickWeiland Presonoid Joined: 04/08/2012 20:33:05 Messages: 1050 Location: United Kingdom of Hypocracy Offline
| it even interrupts what im labeling. | Computer: Asus Sabertooth x79 MOBO, 64 gb vengance Ram, 4gb windforce gigabyte Oc edition graphics card, processor: intel i7 3930 3.8 ghz 6 core, startech firewire card. Laptop:Hp Pavilion Laptop G6 series amd 2.66 ghz quad core processor,256mb graphics card Ati,8 gb ddr3 ram,750gb Hybrid Drive;Audio Interface;Roland Octa-Capture,8 Mic pres,10 ins/outs, 44.1, 48, 98, 192 khz,Monitors:Adam a7xs,OS:Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit, Windows 8 Professional,Daw:Studio One Professional 64 bit version,Cubase 6.5,Plugins:Jbridge, Waves platinum bundle, Fabfilter bundleVst Instrumen,BFD2 64bit, Alchemy, East West Symphonic Orchestra. |
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